TeamCapri
General => General => Topic started by: kelly270 on July 10, 2010, 02:25:00 AM
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Hey the motor I bought is out of a 89 323 gt, this thing will bolt up to my tranny, correct? What a time to ask that question, eh? The motor should be here monday. I have plans to pull my motor and install the 323 one. Put mine on a stand and ramp it up. Bore it 60 over and get busy. I am also looking at a garret or tubo tronics T3-T4 hybrid. I will see 250 horses out of it. Can I bump up the compression a little when buying new pistons? Any suggestions on my pusuit of the elusive 250 bhp will be appreciated.
Man, there is a supra turbo running around town for sale... mmm...
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Ya...buy my 14B turbo.... :D
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I do not think you can get 60 over on the B6T without issues....check it out.
Clay
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what is the 14b turbo???? How much mods will it take to install????
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also what about a higher performance clutch, where do I find one that will fit? will a centerforce clutch work in our cars??
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one more question; does it take any machining to combine a VJ-11 and a VJ-14?? the people at Alamo turbo's in the seattle area said that if it requires any machining, it would be better to just buy a new turbo.
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No machining all bolt on.
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thanks
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14b is the turbo im running, and yes it takes some hefty modification to get it working. but hold on to your hat..this turby is where it starts to get a little nutty.. the baby of the mitsu turbos, yet in terms you can fathom its slightly larger than a t-bird.. the big turbo that rocket and others are running currently..
its 405 CFM and a t bird is a 385 CFM
the brilliant things about mitsubishi turbos is that the same hotside fits all the tdo5 coldsides meaning the same hotside will run 14b 16g super16g and 20g centers and coldsides and to swap them out you only need loosten 1 bolt on the v-band clamp to remove...
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Mitsubishi OEM Turbo Specifications
Flow Rates @ 15psi:
TDO4-9B-6CM2 265 CFM
TDO5-12A-8CM2 320 CFM
TDO4-13G-5CM2 360 CFM
TEO4-13C-6CM2 360 CFM
TDO4L-13G-6CM2 360 CFM
TDO4L-15C-8.5CM2 390 CFM
TDO5H-14B-6CM2 405 CFM
TDO5H-14G-8CM2 465 CFM
TDO5H-16G-7CM2 505 CFM
TDO5H-16G-10CM2 505 CFM
TDO6-17C-8CM2 550 CFM
TDO6H-20G-14CM2 650 CFM
TDO7S-25G-17CM2 850 CFM
TFO8L-30V-18CM2 1200 CFM
Max Output:
TD05-14B (stock 1st gen) 275-300hp @ 21 psi
TD05-16G (small) 345-365hp @ 22 psi
TD06-16G (large) 365-385hp @ 22 psi
TD06-20G 430-450hp @ 22 psi
T25 (stock 2nd gen) 235-250hp @ ?? psi
T3 (super 60)/T2.5 hybrid 265-280hp @ ?? psi
T3 (super 60)/T2.8 hybrid 270-320hp @ ?? psi
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thanks, I have a lot of friends who are machinists, and we have a machine at work that I've used a few times. So pretty much most turbo upgrades will consist of fab'in a new or, at the very least different adaptor, the the rest is just piping, corretct? Man, I wish someone round here could bend me up a different exhaust manifold, like a custom header for a decent price. the only I've founds for our cars is around $800+. It's nice now at work, when i became part of the maint dept, it opened up doors. Now I'm welding and using the different machines. Kind of cool for an old fart!!!
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A question about the stock NA Capri engine block:
When I purchased my 'project donor' 1991 Capri, the previous owner had just installed a new short-block. In the trunk was the original block, crankshaft, pistons & rods. He steamed cleaned it all & taped-up the bearing surfaces (to protect them) & labled the #1-#4 pistons & rods. The block is covered with surface-rust (from the steam cleaning).
I have no need for these parts... are these "in demand" items or just scrap material? I'd hate to trash it if others need them.... Please advise
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do not scrap them!! they are not high demand parts becuase not everyone tears there cars down that far themselves. but yes there good parts to have.
gimme a little time and i may pick them up from you. there basically perfect to put on an engine stand and slowly build a race motor with...
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Kentucky is a 'fur-distance' from Texas to pick-up parts my friend. Unless your just out on a road trip for some Tex-Mex food. Your more than welcome to the parts but shipping a block or crankshaft has to be very expensive & not worth the $$$
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i bought a brand new shortblock from a seller on ebay about a year ago... it cost me 150.00 to ship from texas actually via freight.. weve bought engines used from all over, complete engines
ill have to look it up again but theres a company that works with independant truckers and they bid to ship your stuff.. the last complete engine we ordered and had bid to ship cost us 90.00 to ship so i would say it would be between there...
abf freight would be another option but it truely depends on how anxious you are to get rid of it and if you are willing to bring it to abf and pack it on a trailer headed to kentucky..
basicly you put it on a trailer (you physically place the parts on the trailer) and put up a divider wall. and you only pay for the square footage that you use.. then its driven up here and i have to go to my abf terminal and unpack what you packed... when we moved from maine to ky. we did this to move all our stuff and for our beds and bikes and lots of totes and boxes we used 6 feet of space (packed to the ceiling of course) and i want to say it was 385.00
so im wondering what a foot and a half or so would run... check it out, its called ABF U Pack
and if all else fails . .my wife has allways wanted to see the alamo maybe a trip to texas could be planned... its a thought... id just like to have it to build a race engine with
start with the block and save up slowly buy rods, wiseco pistons, arp hardware, Ect. i have a head already so a empty block sounds like just the ticket...
how do the cylinder walls look?
do you know why the previous owner took the shortblock out? was it worn rings, or massive failure?
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I've got his email address (I've asked him other questions) I can send him an email & see what he says. I'll look at the parts again tomorrow but the last time I looked there wasn't any obvious cracks or other issues visable.
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He replied back already, he said ...
"The old engine block just had worn out pistons, no crack engine. Knew I needed to change out pistion, cylinder liners think they are called. Just came across a new engine off of ebay and couldn't resist. Thought was I would rebuild the old engine so would always have a spare"
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the motor I bought will be here on friday, I'll let ya'll know what it looks like. 2 different people at J-spec told me that if would be shipped with a turbo, I'll wait and see. Still kind of up in the air on which one to do the rebuild on. Being as though this is a 323 motor, does it have the short nose crank?? Like RCI said; you can upgrade the oil pump at the very least.
The old man introduced me to his friend who does apholstery work and he quoted me $225 a seat for the fronts. Ive seen his work and will give him my seats this weekend. The old man had his seats redone out of the 94, the guy redid the foam and everything, they looked great. I thought about racing seats, but for the price I'll keep the originals. Put some rd in there while were at it, maybe just the stitching, I'll take some photos.
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In reference to the post above that mentioned seats getting re-covered. --- The seats in mine were so bad off & the frame was bent to where it wouldn't go forwrd or back on the tracks... I bought a couple of Mustang seats out of a 1998 at the wrecking yard. The driver's seat is electric & both backs fold forward. They had gray fabric that was pretty close to the shade of gray stock seats (without the red threads). I just had to add a couple of 'home made' brackets to mount the seats. For a total investment of $100 it was right for my needs. Just a FYI
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thanks CP, Good info, but I really like the seats in the car, so the expense is really not that big of a deal. Man, whats money anyway. At this point I believe that I will be buried in the car anyway!!!!!
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ok, the seats are out and at the shop, problem is the turbo on the motor I got. is a VJ-13 will the VJ11 parts still bolt right up, and make a hybrid?? I was going to send this one out to get rebuilt and then put it in the car while I'm rebuilding the new motor... I didn't know that they even put a VJ13 on the cars. Nothing so far, as by the small bit of research I've done has mentioned it.
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VJ13 is an earlier version of the VJ14 IIRC.
The exhaust dump pipe might be a bit different, 4 bolt maybe instead of the normal 5bolt? Similar to the VJ5 that came on early B6T's
Compressor/ turbines should be identical to the VJ14 though
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thanks guys, sould i stll combine the VJ11 compressor and fan! will it push more air with the VJ11 parts?
(http://i930.photobucket.com/albums/ad143/kelly270/turbo003.jpg)
heres the real boss, and he says that it should go faster!!
(http://i930.photobucket.com/albums/ad143/kelly270/turbo002.jpg)
here the 5 boltz you were talking about Matt
(http://i930.photobucket.com/albums/ad143/kelly270/turbo001.jpg)
the real question is.,.. Should I go ahead and mate the VJ13 And the VJ11 and install on the current motor. Altready in the plans to get a better and larger one for the final rebuilt one. This one would be for the 5-6 months wait, while the other is being worked on. Will be either sold or put into another XR2, then sold. It would cost just under 4 bills to get the work done in seattle.
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just got the turbo back with upgrades. Will be installed this coming week. Seats are still getting worked on. Kudo's to Alamo Turbo out of Kent WA, did a super job, excellent communications with the actual person doing the rebuild, sent back all the old parts, cleaned it up so well it looks new! Kind of bummer to really only use it for a month or two. It will be nice to have all the documintation, if I put the engine in another car. VJ/13-VJ/11 hybrid. (http://i930.photobucket.com/albums/ad143/kelly270/n2002.jpg)
(http://i930.photobucket.com/albums/ad143/kelly270/n2003.jpg)
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oh yeah, I did throw a magnet on the oil pan on the 323 motor and it stuck!!! The oil feed for the turbo is in the side of the oil pan.
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Kelly, here is a post from the yahoo group that I remembered..this should clear up your oil pan question. Dan knows his stuff on Mazda's.
Looking at the crank pulley, it is a short nose crank. The short nose
has uneven spacing of the 4 small bolts and 2 philips head screws.
The big nose crank has 4 evenly spaced bolts and no philips screws.
And he has the steel oil pan found on the early B6T that have the big
intake plenum he has. So to me it is a early B6T and he's looking for
trouble spinning a supercharger with this crank!
Dan
88GTX
90 protege 4WD
HTH
Clay
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thanks clay, I'll check it out when we go to the shop later today!!
ebay item #(160461958408)
Rebuilt DSM 450cc/min injectors $95 shipped!! Warranty
are these the injectors I'm looking for?? The guy selling these doesn't really have that good of feedback, so I am a little concerned.
Any input??
I'm not trying to run a supercharger... LOL only a turbo charger.
The larger intake is , when coupled with the ECU, designed to run a higher octane gas, is where they generated the extra 17 horsepower, I guess.
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I just cut and pasted the thread with the oil pan info...the rest is just gobbledy goop
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The JDM fuel map is the same map as later & same that we all run (stock anyway)
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thanks matt! any input on the injectors??