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Author Topic: 94 Turns over won't start!!!!  (Read 16454 times)

Jim Simms

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Re: 94 Turns over won't start!!!!
« Reply #45 on: April 14, 2014, 09:19:18 PM »

I feel like such a rookie, chiming in with the gurus.
This happened to me one time.
Towed to the mechanic.
He told me he simply did full tuneup: plugs, wires, rotor.
Biggest prob was prob the rotor button fouled out.
I was scared for a moment
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blueamber

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Re: 94 Turns over won't start!!!!
« Reply #46 on: April 14, 2014, 09:49:23 PM »

Chiming in when an 'expert' hasn't solved anything is ALWAYS appropriate.  You make a good point that a good starting point is to make sure a complete tuneup is done.  My last tuneup on my 93 daily driver was surprising, I pulled the dist cap and the rotor fell out in pieces, and it was running OK before.  The metal on top of the rotor was just sitting there, held on by the almost gone button in the cap...

Experience is the best teacher, don't hesitate to share your trials and tribulations with the Capri, as well as fun times!!!...Chris
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shep83

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Re: 94 Turns over won't start!!!!
« Reply #47 on: April 15, 2014, 12:08:36 PM »

The power of a forum like this is not the "Experts"
The power is the people...

Please don't hesitate to share your experience...
I'm stuck and I need to hear some alternate ideas...

I agree with the tuneup idea and I've been thinking along the same lines..
Really the only course I have is to start from scratch, I really need to fix this GD fuel pressure issue first tho, WHY DON'T I HAVE ANY FUEL PRESSURE!!
sorry to shout  ;)
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shep83

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Re: 94 Turns over won't start!!!!
« Reply #48 on: May 19, 2014, 11:30:22 PM »


Update,
It's been over a month and I still don't have this damn car running...
Anybody inthe Southwest Fl. area want to buy a Capri cheap??????
It has a lot of new parts on it!@#$#@%$!!!

I still can't stop the fuel from running thru, no fuel pressure
I just replaced the Distibuter $300 and still nothing...

There is a small "solenoid" that the vacuum line on the Fuel pressure regulator goes to..
Anybody know what this is called, I can't find one....
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Rocketman

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Re: 94 Turns over won't start!!!!
« Reply #49 on: May 20, 2014, 12:14:45 AM »

It's the hot-start solenoid. It cuts vacuum to the FPR during hot starts to raise the fuel pressure, which helps idle stability on hot starts and helps flush the hot fuel out of the rail. It would not have anything to do with your issue, but you can bypass it if you want.

Still no fuel pressure? Have you taken the pump back out to test the assembly for leakage?
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shep83

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Re: 94 Turns over won't start!!!!
« Reply #50 on: May 20, 2014, 09:02:12 AM »

Leakage from the fuel pump?.. If I put the old pump back in I get pressure around 30 psi but no fire.
With new pump I get constant flow thru lines, I can hear it but it's like the FPR is wide open and just allows fuel to flow freely.
The FPR seems to hold pressure, I can't blow thru it and a balloon stayed inflated all night.

Seems that when under load (more than 30 psi) the FPR opens so does that indicate a back FPR or a different vacuum problem????
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Re: 94 Turns over won't start!!!!
« Reply #51 on: May 20, 2014, 01:28:33 PM »

I dont see that you stated how the car runs/ran when you sprayed fuel at the throttle body.  Will you please tell me how it runs when you are doing that?
Is it gasoline or starter fluid?
What do you use as a sprayer?
Do you open the throttle plate and spray it in the plenum????
Have you had it run using this method since you changed the distributor?
Have you had it run using this method sice you began swapping Feul parts?

By this point I suggest installing a pressure gauge after the Filter and before the Injector Rail and watching it as you mess with something else. 

Have you replaced the Filter?

How many miles are on the engine?

How long have you driven this car with no problems?

Have you had recent work done of any kind, fluids, jumpstart, airfilter, anything?

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I would look at the intake hoses for a air leak and take a rest on the pressure worries.  The "acordian" flex neck near the Air Flow Meter fails in clever ways.  Removing it and using your fingers to CAREFULLY search EVERY fold and curve.
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ALL of these questions are valid when trying to get help from thousands of miles away.
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shep83

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Re: 94 Turns over won't start!!!!
« Reply #52 on: May 20, 2014, 05:17:18 PM »

It will start and run for a for seconds on starting fluid sprayed directly into the throttle body. (Throttle plate open)
It will also start and run on gasoline..

Yes I had it running after changing the distributor.
I have gauge installed, I have 0 psi

Had the car about 4 month's no problems...
No recent work prior to this other than some brake work and new plugs..

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Re: 94 Turns over won't start!!!!
« Reply #53 on: May 21, 2014, 01:57:56 AM »

You need to investigate lack of fuel. It's not dumping out under the car is it?

Silly question, but when you replaced the pump, did you hook up the return/pressure lines backwards? This would cause the lack of pressure symptoms

Did you ever check that o-ring that seals the pump into the "bell" on the underside of the sending unit?
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shep83

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Re: 94 Turns over won't start!!!!
« Reply #54 on: May 21, 2014, 05:43:27 PM »

No leaking, I put the old pump back on and it seems to stop the constant flow problem but still no start...
I think it's a vacuum problem that somehow there isn't enough vacuum there restrict the flow at the higher pressures the new fuel pump creates...

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Re: 94 Turns over won't start!!!!
« Reply #55 on: May 21, 2014, 05:50:19 PM »

The restriction in the FPR is generated by a spring pushing on a needle valve. There's a diaphragm in there that works with the spring.

When there is NO Vacuum, you will get MAX fuel pressure.

When there is full vacuum, you will get base idle pressure.

Adding vacuum to the FPR reduces fuel pressure
This is done, so there is a constant pressure differential between the intake manifold & the fuel injectors, to keep the flow rate consistent. The fuel pressure will vary yes, but it stays a constant pressure relative to the pressure in the intake manifold.

I sent you that extra FPR, if there's no change in pressure when you swap that in, then it's not an FPR problem
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