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Author Topic: outer wheel seal -AAARRRGGGG!!!  (Read 3118 times)

PCFree

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outer wheel seal -AAARRRGGGG!!!
« on: September 12, 2011, 01:22:00 PM »

Okay, I'm putting the hub together in the spindle I got from Russ. I used an old hub turned down .020 (so the bearings wouldn't get stuck) and an outer CV joint to clamp down my bearings to select the proper spacer to get the 3-10 inch pounds of preload. I've got all the bearings hand packed, seals in place and I draw the new hub into the bearings. I double check my preload and install the assembly onto the Capri. I am feeling all proud of myself till I noticed something didn't look right...I had forgot to put the rotor on the hub!!!
I have always cut off the seal and used a bearing separator and puller to remove the bearing from the hub. Has anyone come up with a sure-fire way to re-install the hub & seal without pulling the bearing off the hub??
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« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2011, 02:43:00 PM »

You can install the rotor over the bearing & seal. It will fit.

I am hoping the hub you machined is just for testing purposes & not driving on? The bearings are supposed to be a tight interference/press fit.

Incase you haven't seen it I have a "DIY driveway bearings" writeup here: http://teamcapri.com/capri-gi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=17;t=000080
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« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2011, 12:58:00 AM »

Sure the rotor fits over the bearing and seal but how would you install the seal and make sure it is seated? The rotor covers any access to the seal!
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« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2011, 01:27:00 AM »

I looked at your write-up and your rotors are on the outside of the hub! Stock Capri's have them on the inside. Also, the spacer is not matched to just the hub. The bearings are different also so when you replace them, you have to match the spacer to the new bearings. Mine went from spacer #12 to spacer #09 to get the proper preload. I also didn't see where you seated the seal and by what I saw, you installed the seal upside down. The "cup" of the seal faces inwards. And not to be critical but using a hardened tool (screwdriver) to drive in a race? A brass drift or an aluminum race installer ensures that the race isn't dimpled. I have the factory install procedure and they call for the greased bearings and seals to be installed into the knuckle first and then the hub & rotor assembly is pressed in.

Yes, the turned down hub is used to set the preload and is turned down to allow the bearing to slip off the hub. It is only turned down up to the radius of the shaft so the radius can allow the bearing to "center" on the shaft.

I was a frame tech & chassis mechanic for 30 years and I have all the tools like bearing separators, pullers, race & seal installers, an indoor workbench, etc.

After all that I have put into the front end with this project (new bearings, rotors, calipers, struts, strut bearings, inner & outer tie rod ends & ball joints) I don't want to mess anything up so I will get a new outer seal (must cut the old one off to clear the bearing splitter) pull the bearing and reinstall into the hub to ensure the seal is in place. I just don't want to take a chance that water & debris doesn't get in there and take out the new bearing while on the road somewhere.

One more thing I noticed that isn't in the repair manual...
When installing conical bearings in conventional, non-spacer hubs, the bearings are over torqued at first to seat the races completely and then they are backed off and set to proper torque specs. I installed my test hub without doing this first and the proper spacer was a #10. When I took out the spacer and torqued the bearings to seat the races, the spacer needed was down to a #09 so there was some change in the alignment of the races even though I had seated them with a race installer. This may have explained why the first time I did the bearings and set the preload, one bearing loosened up after driving on it a week.
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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2011, 01:54:00 AM »

So who is right?  I need to do wheel bears soon and I don't want to screw this up...
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« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2011, 12:24:00 AM »

Take it to a machine shop, that's the correct way to do it.  Saves a LOT of headache and any possible damage is at the fault of the shop, not at your hands.  I'm sure you can do better then the $100 that I paid with me supplying bearings and rotors.
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