thanks, i did that first and had to replace the main fuse, and two small ones below the dash, but still no luck. but you think its not the relays? i'll check the headlight motors tonight, i hope its not that! I tracked down all the wiring and cant seem to find any problems. If i knew how to check the relays i would lol, the radiator relay looks fine,(as far as i can tell). nothing burned or shorted. thanks for such fast replies!